As reported by Censor.NET, the interview with Rodchenkov took place in Manhattan office of his lawyer Jim Walden over the phone for security considerations. The former head of the Moscow anti-doping laboratory told his story to Andrea Schültke and Hajo Seppelt, correspondents for Dlf-Sportgespräch.
Schültke: Do you see any change in mentality nowadays in Russia regarding doping?
Rodchenkov: No, mentality is the same. The mentality of cheating and lying and denying. They still, you know they are "truth" for outside especially for Sebastian Coe (president of the International Association of Athletics Federations, editor’s note) or Craig Reedie (president of the World Anti-Doping Agency, editor’s note) or to Thomas Bach (president of the International Olympic Committee, editor’s note) that Russia make the big steps further, that now Russian athletes are the most clean in the world. It’s of course just subterfuge and some sort of propaganda. Because all sports officials who were involved and knew about dopings are untouchable, they still keep their positions. There is no retaliation for athletes. Do you know why athletes could tell truth about themselves, because they give gold medal back and then you have and then there is no retaliation.
You remain in your car, you remain in your apartment. Life is good. And then Russian people prepare another fake gold medal and you keep gold medal in your place in your home. So there are no changes at all. Russia is still remaining doping country. No changes at all.
Schültke: What does it mean for Russia and it's soul to compete under the neutral flag and without the national anthem and with neutral uniforms?
Rodchenkov: Nobody cares about this symbol, it is a symbolic thing and Russia, there is no choice, they are uniform and so in general neutral uniform will be easily accept without any, you know it's just a first wave of emotion and then everybody forget about - anthem, flag, neutral uniform. It is okay.
Schültke: So you don't think that this will hurt the Russians soul?
Rodchenkov: Absolutely not. The Russians soul is not hurt at all. It hurts only the Russian propaganda and weird political atmosphere.
Schültke: After telling us your whole story and after telling us that you knew that you have to a your story sometimes, do you feel kind of shame having been part of this system in Sochi or in Russia of this doping system?
Rodchenkov: Why I should be all with shame? You know, it was two different men, one man that was in Sochi who was proud of such things. And now me talking to you after killing of my friend Nikita, after killing of Boris Nemtsov, after the Sochi Olympic Games it was invasion of Ukraine and downtake of MH 17.
I am not let's say ashamed. I am telling people the truth, because all such things in sport are so much in line in the political and even historical things which may happen after success of the Olympic Games. Success in Sochi made Putin aggressive. There is no… any talks about moral or shame. Russia is a country where there is no moral, no shame. Unfortunately I am Russian. Is it clear?
Grigory Rodchenkov, former head of the Moscow anti-doping laboratory, was the central figure in connection with the state-sponsored doping program in Russia - especially with the sophisticated cover-up system at the Olympic Winter Games in Sochi in 2014. Grigory Rodschenkow changed sides, cooperated with investigators and fled to the USA. At the moment he lives in an unknown place under the witness protection program.